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Put your money where your mouth is: Would you support a Canadian Div. 1 soccer league?

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The latest issue of Plastic Pitch has certainly ignited a lot of Twitter debate and comments. Our look at Canada’s role in North American leagues certainly has more than a few of our readers calling for a Canadian-only first division or conference.

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Last year, we heard the rumours about the North American Soccer League, the Canadian Football League and the Canadian Soccer Association discussing the formation of a domestic league or division. But, as NASL Commissioner Bill Peterson told us in Plastic Pitch #3, “It really is too early to talk about a Canadian division, but it is not something we think is out of the question. There is enough interest in Canada for pro soccer, I think it is something that could possibly work, but I don’t know when.”

Others have told me that it’s vital that a major title sponsor (think of Barclay’s and the Premiership) would need to come forward, with money that would help offset the massive travel costs. If the travel costs are mitigated, then more potential investors might come forward. But, without that big sponsor, it’s hard to get investors interested in losing the millions they’d need to lose for a decade or so as the league got off the ground. They wouldn’t see a light at the end of the tunnel.

We know that we’d need sponsors and investors before we can even talk about players, teams and academies.

So, if we’d want a true Canadian Division 1, we’d need to prove that there is a market. If we can’t prove the market, then we’d need to accept there is no burning desire for a Canadian league outside of a few diehards. And so, in keeping with the theme of PP‘s fifth issue, we ask: Would you pledge to spend $500 for a season ticket if a local club joined a Canadian Division One league?

Let’s face it. Moral support is nice, but it doesn’t pay the bills. I only want you to tick off a box on the survey below if you’ve got the means — and the will — to spend that kind of dough on a ticket. Spread the word and ask your friends and fellow fans to check this out.

To measure a show of support, a sponsor or investor would need to know that there are at least 50,000-60,000 people who would be willing to spend on season tickets. Those numbers would need to be spread out nationwide, but also be prevalent in big media markets. You can’t have a number of fans concentrated in one region, but very little support in the rest of the country. A nationwide league’s support has to be, well, nation-wide. (I’m not expecting to get those kind of numbers on this survey, I’m just interested in seeing what the numbers are like among the readership).

All you do is this: If you would spend $500 a ticket (yes, I know some tickets would be less, some would be more, but this is a good median figure), then go down and click off a box that corresponds to your region. If you wouldn’t support a league, just ignore the box below. Please don’t vote more than once. I have this poll policed, but technology is never 100 per cent efficient.

And thanks again for reading Plastic Pitch.

The pledge sheet is now closed. In seven days, it received 451 “votes” of support. More importantly (and more telling) is that the conversion rate was 20.5 per cent. That means about one in five people who went to the pledge sheet made a “commitment” for our fictional $500 season ticket.

Yes! I pledge to buy a season ticket for my local club if it played in a new Canadian Division-One Soccer league. (Check off the appropriate region)

Newfoundland
Nova Scotia
PEI
New Brunswick
Quebec City
Montreal
Ottawa
Kingston
Hamilton/Niagara
Windsor
London
Toronto central
Toronto west
Toronto east
Northern Ontario
Winnipeg
Saskatoon
Regina
Calgary
Edmonton
Fort McMurray/Northern Alberta
Kelowna
Vancouver
Victoria
Kitchener/Waterloo

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17 Comments

  1. jayme

    March 25, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    Paul

    I don’t think Canada will have any teams in Mls with in 10 years.

  2. Nick

    March 21, 2015 at 7:25 am

    When this news came up last year I put together my idea of what a Canadian 1st division might look like. You can have a gander here: http://boards.sportslogos.net/topic/100915-nasl-canada-winnipeg-added/

  3. BCM

    March 21, 2015 at 12:57 am

    Not to be a wet rag, but surveys also show that consumers will pay substantially more for locally produced produce. The till always shows the reverse.

    Would a league that plays second fiddle in three major markets be viable in the long term?

  4. TC St.Clair (@CDN_Footy)

    March 21, 2015 at 12:29 am

    Hope you don’t mind but I’m emailing a bunch of people this link. Can’t hurt. Want to help spread word of this poll. Maybe we can get a few local broadcasters to link this on their sites…

  5. Matthew

    March 20, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    toronto east and game for $500. honestly the reason i think we don’t have one is the mls. not because the mls is blocking it but because it’s resulted in alot of people thinking we don’t need one because we have the mls. if you mention a canadian league to someone, they dismiss it because the mls is here and ‘that’ll do the job just fine’. while many are aware how flawed this thinking is, the vast majority of canadians who follow soccer don’t realize how little play canadians see in the mls. they also ignore the fact that 7 of 10 provinces (6 if you count nasl) lack an academy system that offers a high level development followed by possible profession options.

  6. TC St.Clair (@CDN_Footy)

    March 20, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    Hands down, I’d support a Canadian team over an MLS team any day. And I love TFC. But I want footy in Canada to elevate its level of quality, and the amount of Canadians playing professionally for that matter, more than anything else.

    We need to spread word of this idea/survey to as many people as possible. Need a true poll. After you vote, spread the word for others to do the same.

  7. Ian

    March 20, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    I’m already an Eddies season ticket holder. I wouldn’t hold tickets to a lower league as well. If the NASL wasn’t in Edmonton, I would support the national league, as long as the calibre was good.

  8. Kent

    March 20, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    I live in Toronto, and have had TFC season tickets on and off. If a Toronto team joined a Canadian soccer league I would definitely support them over TFC. I voted for Toronto Central, but would get tickets in the east or west as well. If there was no Toronto team, but a Hamilton team, I would likely try to make it out to a couple games a season in Hamilton.

  9. Loki

    March 20, 2015 at 10:39 am

    Wouldn’t believe the push back I am getting in Ontario from this. People basically saying it wouldn’t be business viable so why do it.

    That’s atrocious to me. These guys also hate on the CFL because “it doesn’t work in Toronto”.

    • Kent

      March 20, 2015 at 3:18 pm

      Yeah, no doubt it would be hard to get a Canadian league up and running and profitable, but if you asked me 10 years ago, I would’ve said that pro teams in the Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Edmonton, and Ottawa would fail very quickly.

      Canada today is different (and more populated) than the Canada of 1992, when the CSL folded.

  10. Soccer Fan

    March 20, 2015 at 2:47 am

    I live in Metro Vancouver and would pay for season tickets for a Canadian Metro Vancouver club in a NASL Canada Div 1 League. They would have to be smart and locate the team not in the direct area of the Vancouver Whitecaps but in a location still in the metro area but far enough away to have their own fan base like in Surrey.

    I wouldn’t support the VWCII farm team though if they were in the league – I want to watch an independent pro team not a reserve/farm team of the Whitecaps, that would be a non-starter if that were done.

  11. Jeff

    March 20, 2015 at 1:57 am

    Who is the other Saskatoon person??! Honestly figured I’d be the only person here who would A) find this post and B) actually vote that I’d buy season tickets.

    • Steedman

      March 21, 2015 at 2:43 am

      I have the same question for Fort McMurray/Northern Alberta

  12. Paul Punter

    March 20, 2015 at 1:29 am

    The slight problem is will people who already spend money on Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal games go support a third team in their area after all the money spent getting the 2 teams off the ground? If something like this was to happen the teams like VWFC2 would need to be in the division otherwise there is no way a season ticket in Vancouver could be anymore than like 200 dollars and if people in Vancouver are paying $200 why would someone in Edmonton want to spend more than double? I accept people may raise the fact their is a difference between say a season ticket at Manchester United and Swansea but this is a new league that no doubt will have salary caps and the such meaning such differences in prices may not be tolerated at the start of a brand new league

    • Kent

      March 20, 2015 at 1:40 pm

      Paul, are you suggesting fans in those markets would need to support the MLS team, the MLS farm team in USL, and also the Canadian league team? The USL teams don’t need support as much as the other teams. Really it’s an extension of their academies which they don’t run to make money on them directly.

      Anyways, I don’t know about the geography of Vancouver of Montreal, but I imagine that in Toronto if the Canadian league team has it’s own place to play, they should be able to get some fans based on location/convenience at least. Put a team at Varsity stadium and it’s a lot more convenient for me than BMO field is. Put a team in Mississauga or Brampton and you can tap into those areas more. Or a team in the east in Markham or something and you could get those locals. Regardless of where the team is, you will get a few hardcore fans that will go out of their way to either support all 3 teams in the city, or support the Canadian league team rather than TFC just because it’s best for the sport in Canada.

      • Matthew

        March 21, 2015 at 12:32 am

        Placing a team in Scarborough, strangely, would be the best option of the Toronto Burbs. Scarberians feel a great disconnect from the rest of Toronto and it’s not uncommon for them to proudly rep ‘Scarborough’, ‘Malvern’, ‘Wexford’ or the ‘116’. They might rally around a team. It doesn’t hurt that Scarborough has a strong soccer history (de Guzman, De Rosario, The Robbie) and immigrant population. Only set back is stadium, but given that it’s known world wide for hosting a soccer tournament and is a landmark of the area, Birchmount could work despite being small and kind of run down.

    • nathan

      March 20, 2015 at 2:31 pm

      As someone in Edmonton, I would spend double what I am currently for season tickets to encourage this league, as well as play at the highest level possible. I think that the $500 would also be more of a arbitrary number here as well.

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